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FAQ general

Which CSMconfig Version is used by CANape?

CANape automatically uses the installed CSMconfig with the highest version number.

How do I exchange a gateway in a CANape setup?

The CANape driver expects exactly defined settings with regard to the network configuration. If an XCP gateway is to be exchanged in an existing CANape project, the new gateway must use identical IP address settings like the replaced gateway. The different serial numbers of the two devices will cause no problem, since the communication between CANape and the modules is identified exclusively via the IP address.

To set the correct connection parameters (IP address), open the "XCP Gateway Configuration" dialog in CSMconfig and adapt it.

Note: If the IP address of the old gateway is not known, there are two ways to find it out.

  1. Read the IP address from the A2L file.
  2. In CANape under Device Information the IP address for the network is listed.

I can't find my modules in CSMconfig. What can I do?

Please check the following points for CAN modules:

  • Terminate the measuring chain with a terminating resistor.
  • Activate the bitrate detection in the CSMconfig settings and try to find the modules via auto-configuration.
  • Connect the modules individually and import them with auto-configuration.
  • All modules on a CAN bus must use the same bit rate.
  • Check the total CAN bus load of the measurement chain to ensure that it does not exceed 100%. This can occur if modules are configured and plugged together individually. To correct this, read the modules individually and select a lower transmission rate.
  • Use an additional power supply in a long measuring chain.
  • Do not use pure CANopen modules (e.g. NH3CAN). These are not supported by CSMconfig and therefore not found.

For ECAT modules, please check the following points:

  • Do not use an external (USB-to-)Ethernet adapter when working with high sampling rates (>500kHz).
  • Check whether you have exceeded the maximum number of modules or channels for the measurement chain. These depend on the ECAT operating mode and are displayed in the XCPG dialog.
  • Before starting the measurement, wait until the status LED shows green for all modules.
  • Use an additional power supply in a long measuring chain.
  • Before editing the measurement chain, switch the gateway to CSMconfig offline and only then reconnect the modules. Then switch the gateway back online.
  • Use a switch for measurements with more than one gateway. The simultaneous use of two network cards for measurement and configuration can lead to communication problems.

Where can I download the INCA AddOn CAN/ETH?

The CSM INCA AddOns are licensed software. If you do not yet have a license, please contact your personal account manager or sales@csm.de.

If you already have a license and are only looking for the installation package, please contact your personal account manager or CSM Service and Support.

Which Modules support TEDS?

A complete list of CAN AD modules with TEDS functionality can be found here: Measurement modules with TEDS support

The STGMM 6 CAN and ECAT modules support TEDS (CSM-proprietary template).

Which interfaces are supported by the CSM INCA AddOn CAN?

The integration of the CAN interfaces into CSM INCA AddOn CAN is based on the BOA driver library of INCA.
This supports all CAN interfaces which are also supported by the BOA installation on your PC. Additionally, ETAS CAN interfaces can be used.

For a complete list of all supported CAN interfaces of your BOA driver library, please contact ETAS.

Which CAN interfaces are supported by CSMconfig?

A list of the interfaces which are supported by CSMconfig can be found in the help under the keyword "Supported CAN interfaces". To use the intefaces you have to install manufacturer's drivers first.
Depending on which driver library you have activated in the CSMconfig program settings, different interfaces can be used:

CSM Interface Library

The following interfaces are currently supported by CSMconfig:

  • CSM (CSMcan)
  • VECTOR (VNxxx, CANCard-X, CANCard-XL, ETAS CANLink, ...)
  • KVASER (LAPcan, USB-CAN II, ...)
  • dSPACE (DCI-CAN1, ...)
  • softing (CANCard2, ... )
  • PEAK (PCAN-USB with PCAN Light API)
  • National Instruments (NI PCMCIA-CAN Series 2 with NI_CAN driver package)
  • IXXAT (USB-to-CAN compact, ...)
  • Intrepid (ValueCAN 2, 3)

BOA (ETAS INCA 7.1)

If BOA is selected as the active interface library, CSMconfig supports all CAN interfaces that are also supported by the BOA installation on your PC. For a complete list of all supported CAN interfaces of your BOA driver library, please contact ETAS.

What is the pinning of the signal sockets for modules wih TEDS-functionality?

 

Pinning of standard CAN signal sockets:

Signal socket for AD CAN MM series
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 0B, 6pol
1 VIN + Input voltage, plus
2 VIN - Input voltage, minus
3 -- reserved, do not connect
TEDS Data TEDS data line
4 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 VGND Sensor supply ground
TEDSGND TEDS ground lead (additional)1
6 VOUT- Sensor supply output, minus
-- reserved, do not connect2

1Only for measurement modules with TEDS support
 2 Only for measurement modules ADMM 4/AD4 MX2

Signal socket for STG CAN/ECAT MM series
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
Sicht auf Modulfront LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 8pol
1 VIN - Input voltage, minus
2 VIN +
Input voltage, plus
3 VOUT - Bridge excitation voltage, ground
4 VOUT + Bridge excitation voltage, plus
5 VSENSE - Sense Minus
6 VSENSE + Sense Plus
7 TEDS GND TEDS ground lead
Channel Shield Shield for measurement signal
8 TEDS Data Data line TEDS
Housing Cable Shield Outer Shield (housing)

Which CAN interfaces are supported by CSMview?

Currently not all CAN interfaces available in CSMconfig are supported by CSMview. CAN interfaces from the following manufacturers are currently available for CSMview:

  • CSM 
  • vector
  • Kvaser

Note: BOA driver-based interfaces are not supported.

Where can I find the housing dimensions of the respective modules?

All module housing dimensions are listed on the CSM website.

  • On each site of the module (e.g. AD CAN-MM) there is a table with the available housing variants.
  • Click on the title line of the respective housing variant.
  • An overlay opens which shows the dimensions of the selected enclosure type.

These are in detail: Case eXtra Small (CXS), Case Small (CS), Slide Case Small (SCS), Case Large (CL), Slide Case Large (SCL),

How to recognize 1000V voltage inputs on a HV measuring module?

1000V voltage inputs and the associated signal cables can be identified by the color coding.

1. On the cable:

  • Red grommet
  • Grey body
  • Black mother

2. On the module:

  • Red nut on the input socket
Sensor cable
Sensor cable K910
Input socket
Input socket HV AD ECT Messmodul

Why are some ETAS interfaces not recognized in CSMconfig?

To use ETAS interfaces by CSMconfig, the ETAS BOA driver library must be installed. The required drivers are supplied with the installation of INCA, but can also be downloaded directly from the ETAS download portal.

In order for the ETAS interfaces to be recognized by CSMconfig, the BOA interface library must be selected in the program settings.

Note: Not all ETAS interfaces use the BOA interface. Such interfaces cannot be addressed by CSMconfig despite selection of the BOA interface library.

Program Settings CSMconfig
Program Settings CSMconfig

How do I copy the settings from one module to the next?

To copy a configuration from one module to another module, the following steps must be carried out:

  1. Read existing module chain in CSMconfig.
  2. Switch the modules to offline via the "Online/Offline" button.
  3. Replace the module with the target module (must have identical type).
  4. Switch the modules to online via the "Online/Offline" button.
  5. Change the serial number of the old module by that of the target module.
  6. Write the configuration to the target module.

Can I install and use the INCA AddOn CAN and AddOn ETH at the same time?

The AddOns behave like AddOns from different manufacturers. Therefore it is possible to install and use them at the same time.

The AddOn CAN is started via the respective ETAS interface, the AddOn ETH via the Ethernet interface.

Where can I find information about cables and CAN/ECAT accessories?

Information on cables and general CAN or ECAT accessories can be found here.

For more detailed technical questions contact support@csm.de. If you have further questions about CSM products in general, please contact your personal account manager or sales@csm.de.


FAQ CAN Modules

What is the pinning of the signal sockets for CAN modules?

The pin assignment of the corresponding signal socket for the ECAT modules can be found in the two documents "ECAT STGMM6" and "ECAT ADMM4 HS", which are located under Help at CSMconfig.

Pinning of standard CAN signal sockets:

Signal socket for PT CAN MM series
Connector Measuring input
Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 0B, 6pol
1 VIN + Input voltage, plus
2 VIN - Input voltage, minus
3 -- reserved, do not connect
4 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus
6 -- reserved, do not connect
Signal socket for CNT CAN MM series
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 0B, 6pol
1 VIN + Input voltage, plus
2 VIN - Input voltage, minus
3 -- reserved, do not connect
4 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 VGND Sensor supply ground
6 -- reserved, do not connect
Signal socket for AD CAN MM series
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 0B, 6pol
1 VIN + Input voltage, plus
2 VIN - Input voltage, minus
3 -- reserved, do not connect
4 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 VGND Sensor supply ground
6 VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus
Signal socket for STG CAN MM series
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 8pol
1 VIN - Measured voltage (-)
2 VIN +
Measured voltage (+)
3 VOUT - Bridge excitation voltage, ground
4 VOUT + Bridge excitation voltage, plus
5 VSENSE - Sense minus
6 VSENSE + Sense plus
7 Channel Shield Shield for measurement signal
8 Data Data line (TEDS)

Housing

Cable Shield Outer Shield (housing)

Pinning of custom specific signal sockets:

Signal socket for PT CAN MM-Serie
Connector Measuring input
Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 1S, 4pol
View of module front
LEMO 1S, 4pol
(FFA.1S.304.CLAC.42ZN)
1 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
2 VIN + Input voltage, plus
3 VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus
4 VIN - Input voltage, minus
Chassis Shield Shield
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front Fischer, 6pol
View of module front
Fischer, 6pol
1 -- Reserved, do not connect
2 VIN - Input voltage, minus
3 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
4 VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus
5 VIN + Input voltage, plus
6 -- Reserved, do not connect
Signal socket for CNT CAN MM-Serie
CNTMM 4 classic
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 1B, 7pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 7pol
1 VIN + Input voltage, plus
2 -- --
3 VIN - Input voltage, minus
4 VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 VGND Sensor supply ground
6 -- --
7 -- --
CNTMM 4 pro
Connector Measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 1B, 7pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 7pol
1 VIN +
Input voltage, plus
2 V OUT +
Sensor supply output, plus
3 -- --
4 -- --
5 VOUTGND Sensor supply ground
6 V IN -
Input voltage, minus
7 -- --

What is the single channel configuration?

Usually, the CAN-ID for CSM measurement modules is defined for a group of channels. Often valid for the entire module. This then occupies a consecutive range of CAN identifiers.
For some measurement modules, however, the CAN identifier and transmission rate can also be specified per channel. CAN identifiers can be defined channel by channel individually. However, the format (11/29 bit) must correspond to the CAN bus definition.

The option to define CAN identifier and transmission rate per channel is activated in the "Device Configuration" dialog or in the "Device List" view.

Restrictions for single channel configuration:

  • If the Configuration per channel option is activated, no info message can be sent.
  • The measuring module generates a higher bus load if the channels transmit in separate CAN messages.
  • The option to define CAN identifier and transmission rate per channel is not supported by all analyzer modules / firmware versions.
  • The ID NULL switches off the respective channel. No CAN message is sent.

My sensor has three connectors. How do I connect it to my ADMM?

The AD MM series measures the input voltage (=> output voltage of the sensor) using VIN + and VIN - . These PINs are isolated from the rest of the module and have no defined potential unless a sensor is connected.
Since sensors measure the output voltage relative to the sensor ground, VIN- must also be connected to the sensor ground.

Terminal assignment for AD CAN-MM
Connector measuring input Pin Signal
(unipolar sensor supply)
Signal
(bipolar sensor supply)
Description
Sicht auf Modulfront LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 0B, 6pol
1 VIN + VIN + Input voltage, plus
2 VIN - VIN - Input voltage, minus
3 -- -- Reserved, do not connected
4 VOUT + VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 VGND VGND Sensor supply ground
6 -- VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus


Terminal assignment for AD ECAT-MM
Connector measuring input Pin Signal
(unipolar sensor excitation )
Signal
(bipolar sensor excitation)
Descritption
Sicht auf Modulfront LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 8pol
1 VIN - VIN - Input voltage, minus
2 VIN +
VIN +
Input voltage, plus
3 VGND VGND Sensor supply ground
4 VOUT + VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 - VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus
6 - - Reserved, do not connected
7 Channel Shield Channel Shield Shield for measurement signal
8 Data Data Data line (TEDS)
Housing Cable Shield Cable Shield Outer Shield (housing)

How do the measuring ranges differ between different AD CAN MiniModules?

The difference in the measuring ranges depends on the module type.

ADMM Classic: ±100, ±200, ±500 mV and ±10, ±20, ±60 V

ADMM pro/pro2: ±10, ±20, ±50, ±100, ±200, ±500 mV and ±1, ±2, ±5, ±10, ±20, ±60 V

Further differences to the two module types ADMM pro and ADMM classic can be found in the data sheets on the homepage.

Channel comments cannot be written into the measuring module. The corresponding field is grayed out in CSMconfig.

The writing of channel comments is not supported by all measurement modules.

This feature is currently supported by the following module types:

  • AD CAN MM "pro" series
  • TH CAN MM "pro" series
  • STG CAN MM
  • CNT 4 evo
  • all HV MiniModules
  • AD ECAT MM
  • STGMM ECAT MM

What happens if the bus is disconnected and reconnected during the measurement?

The CAN modules are supplied with voltage via the bus. For this reason, the measurement stops as soon as the modules are disconnected from the bus. If the connection between the CAN bus and the module is re-established, the modules measure and transmit normally.

Which IDs does the OUTMM work with if you don't use DBC assignments?

The IDs used are only visible in CSMconfig if the expert mode is activated. The expert mode is activated via the system menu in the header bar. The system menu opens with a click on the program icon on the left in the header bar. The expert mode can be activated here.

After activating the expert mode, the CAN IDs are available in the channel settings. To display them in the columns, the flag "CAN" must be set in the channel settings.

Why can't every filter be set for small measuring ranges?

An STGMM measuring module can measure very small signals if the noise component of the input signal is reduced by using a filter (Butterworth, cut-off frequency max. 100 Hz). CSMconfig can detect such cases and then adjusts the list of possible filter frequencies. However, higher filter frequencies are only available when larger measuring ranges are used.

The lower limit value for the start of a reduced measuring range depends on certain parameters. The following table summarizes a few examples.

Sensor excitation STG settings Reduced Range Regular Range
1,0 V - 3,0 .. 20 mV/V 20 .. 200 mV/V
2,5 V - 1,2 .. 8 mV/V 8 .. 80 mV/V
5,0 V - 0,6 .. 4 mV/V 4 .. 40 mV/V
2,5 V B=1,3, k=2,05 1801 .. 12007 µm/m 12007 .. 120075 µm/m
5,0 V B=4, k=2,05 229 .. 1951 µm/m 1951 .. 19512 µm/m
5,0 V B=2, k=4,0 300 .. 2000 µm/m 2000 .. 20000 µm/m

FAQ ECAT Modules

What is the maximum number of high-speed ECAT modules that can be connected to an XCP gateway?

Note: To use high-speed measurement rates (sampling rates greater than 10 kHz) with CSM ECAT modules, the ECAT operating mode must be set to "10 kHz or packed" in the XCP gateway.

The maximum possible number of modules depends significantly on the selected sampling rate.
The following table applies if all modules of the measurement chain are configured at the same rate:

Sampling Rate Max. Number of Modules Max. Number of Channels
10 kHz 25 × ECAT STGMM 6 150 channels
25 × AD4 ECAT MM 100 channels
100 kHz 11 × AD4 ECAT MM 44 channels
1000 kHz 1 × AD4 ECAT MM 4 channels

Mixed high speed measuring rates can only be used in combination with the XCP version 1.4 format. To do this, set the XCP compatibility accordingly in the CSMconfig program settings. The combination possibilities of modules with different sampling rates are almost unlimited. Therefore, the maximum number of modules for two combinations is listed in the following table as an example:

Max. Number of Modules Sampling Rate Max. Number of Channels

1 × AD4 ECAT MM
+ 1 × AD4 ECAT MM
+ 1 × AD4 ECAT MM

1000 kHz 4 channels
100 kHz 4 channels
10 kHz 4 channels
1 × AD4 ECAT MM
+ 11 × AD4 ECAT MM
1000 kHz 4 channels
10 kHz 44 channels

The CSMconfig configuration software provides feedback when configuring an ECAT measurement chain:
Overload configurations are easy to detect and prevent because a warning message appears if the permissible CAN bus load is exceeded.

What is the pinning of the signal sockets for ECAT modules?

The pin assignment of the corresponding signal socket for the ECAT modules can be found in the two documents "ECAT STGMM6" and "ECAT ADMM4 HS", which are located under Help at CSMconfig.

Standard PIN assignment of the ECAT signal socket:

Signal socket for AD4 ECAT MM series

Connector measuring input

Pin Signal
(unipolar sensor excitation )
Signal
(bipolar sensor excitation)
Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 8pol
1 VIN - VIN - Input voltage, minus
2 VIN +
VIN +
Input voltage, plus
3 VGND VGND Sensor supply ground
4 VOUT + VOUT + Sensor supply output, plus
5 - VOUT - Sensor supply output, minus
6 - - reserved, do not connect
7 Channel Shield Channel Shield Shield for measurement signal
8 Data Data Data line (TEDS)
Housing Cable Shield Cable Shield Outer Shield (housing)
Signal socket for STG ECAT MM series
Connector measuring input Pin Signal Description
View of module front LEMO 0B, 6pol
View of module front
LEMO 1B, 8pol
1 VIN - Input voltage, minus
2 VIN +
Input voltage, plus
3 VOUT - Bridge excitation voltage, ground
4 VOUT + Bridge excitation voltage, plus
5 VSENSE - Sense minus
6 VSENSE + Sense plus
7 Channel Shield Shield for measurement signal
8 Data Data line (TEDS)
Housing Cable Shield Outer Shield (housing)

What is required for synchronization according to IEEE1588 (Precision Time Protocol)?

The following hardware is required for the synchronization of several ECAT measuring modules according to IEEE1588 (Precision Time Protocol):

  • XCP gateway; HW Rev. B000 with FW as of V2.30
  • XCP gateway; HW Rev. C000 with FW as of V3.10
  • Gateway-Option PTP/IEEE1588

If this option has not yet been activated for your gateway, please contact your personal customer advisor or sales@csm.de.

What are the special features of the CAN input at the XCP-gateway?

When using the CAN input on the XCP gateway, the following characteristic features must be obeyed:

  • Modules can be operated with a maximum sampling rate of 1 kHz per channel.
  • CAN bit rates from 125 kBit/s to a maximum of 1 Mbit/s can be used.
  • Signals may have a maximum width up to 16 bits.
  • The standard CAN message type with 11-bit identifier is supported. The extended CAN message type with 29-bit identifier is not supported.
  • CANopen modules, such as ECM modules (LambdaCAN; NOxCAN) or CSMpressure, cannot be used via the CAN interfaces of the XCP-gateway.
  • Connected CAN measurement modules are supplied with power via the XCP-gateway. The gateway supplies up to 10 modules (HV CAN Modules up to 3). Use an daisy chain cable with power supply for each additional group of 10 modules.
  • The CAN interfaces of the XCP-gateway are terminated via an internal 120 Ω resistor. An additional terminating resistor is therefore only required at the end of a long measurement chain. Additional terminating resistors may even lead to problems.